How come if your on a low income you get given loads extra???

Is this really fair, a family who earn more than 30k combined don't receive tax credits but below that they do, so the people who went out got a decent education worked hard to get a good job get no extra help but the ones who left school at 16 didn't bother getting training for a job get given tax credits! where is the incentive to get a good job if the govenment is gonna make up the difference anyway???

Those of us lucky enough to have got a good education and a good job (like me) are wise and appreciative enough to be happy to support those with less income.
As for incentive, those who started working at 16 are great hard working people and they paid for my education so I am always happy to pay them back with my tax.
As for those with kids, the kids will be paying my pension so I am more than happy to pay tax to support families with children.

Well said. You also forgot to mention that those who earn a bit more get taxed more. So, on balance, you can actually end up worse off than someone getting all the extras they can.

i know plus they get free nhs eye prescriptions, dentist, school clothing grants etc it just isnt fair, may i add,me and my hubby would be better off not working but we want to go to work to set an example for our children

The government is warped and doesnt have a clue about what people really need in this country. The poor get loads, the rich get loads and those in the middle have to pay up for those who cant afford it. this country sux and i cant wait to leave it!

it is only fair.
How else can they buy booze and fags?
Do you expect them to go without?

i agree

i say shame on them !!

they are wots costing us taxpayers all this money

general tax rises .. council tax rises.. *** tax.. beer tax.. all these taxes then the government gives it away as tax credits etc !!

You don't get working tax credits if you don't work. The more you work, the more credits you get. It's the governments way of encouraging people to work. It by no means 'makes up the difference'.

Some families do not have access to a "decent education". You make it sound like the people who don't work are just handed out cash.

You are a baffoon and are clearly bitter because your "decent education" hasn't paid off.

I do understand where your coming from but i would rather help the people that are at least bothering to work as opposed to the ones that get handouts for sitting on their fat backsides all day who have more disposable income than most of us cos they dont pay rent, tax etc.

I know where you're coming from. However it's not the same in every case. Many people with degree's still aren't on 30K. And my son trained for 3 years to become a nurse and he's on around 拢20K so still gets' tax credits. I'm pleased he does otherwise his family would struggle.

So some hardworking people do get access to these taxes.

However I've seen a worse situation that is similar to this.
I used to work in sheltered housing. Many of the residents were on benefits of some kind e.g. housing / council tax /income support, but a small number of them had worked all their lives, saved a little and had small pensions. What used to annoy me was that these prudent residents were not entitled to any non means tested benefit and all but one of them was worse of than those who were on benefits.
Now I'm not criticising those who got the benefits - I used to help them to claim, but I thought it was appalling that those with little pensions and some savings that they'd worked hard for were penalised and often had to struggle to pay their rent etc.
At the time it certainly made me question if it was worth bothering to save and have a pension.
Maybe the system will be different when I retire, but somehow I don't think so. I think the hard workers will always be penalised

Oh and I agree with tallpaul. My husband has worked damned hard to get to were he is and he has to pay 40% of his pay in taxes - very unfair

That's why there are so many people objecting taxes and complaining about the socialist system.
This is the basics of socialism. It's sold as a way to protect the weakest by using the resources of all the society. But in the results, it protect the laziest plundering the resources of the hard working people.

I'll give you a clear example. If you pay someone for not working an x amount of money (unemployment check), that person will never ever take a job for less than that. Not even for the same amount and most likely not for an amount slightly over that. You have to give him a lot more to make him work. Now, move this situation 10 years forward. He didn't work, he didn't improve his value by training or studying, he's ten years older. His value in the work market went way down but his paycheck is still the same. Who's going to open a job position for someone like him? You'd have to pay a LOT more than he's really worth, it's doesn't make sense from a business perspective. The only one who can employ someone like that is the government because it doesn't evaluate performance.
Now, multiply that for many millions and move it 50 years forward in time. This is the current situation.

It's time to walk away from socialism. Reduce the government size, take the power away from it, deregulate the markets (all of them), terminate all forms of social care (health, labor, child support, etc), go back to freedom and responsibility. We have to be able to make the choices for our lives and take full responsibility for them. It's tough, it's scary, some won't make it. But it's the right way to live, it's the way to live valuable lives, it's the way to move forward in evolution.

It has to be done gradually but it HAS to be done. There's no future in socialism.

We're on a low income and get sod all we don't get loads of anything, the reason we're paying so much tax is so local councils can pay mortgages for immigrants, then complain they don't have enough cash to keep their council house stock up to decent homes standards we've waited a year for a leak in our roof to be fixed. And why are immigrants allowed to claim tax credits for children who aren't even living in the UK? When half the people who were born here and are eligible for tax credits have to wait 6 months for them to process an application? It's not a case of not wanting a decent job it's not that easy to get the jobs you are qualified for these days ...if a company can pay a non UK citizen less then someone born here they will, immigration is the problem here now and until that gets sorted there's not much hope for anyone getting a decent job above minimum wage,qualified or not.

Good point. It's about time there were proper incetives to work in this country instead of some of us having to provide for those who can't be bothered!

i totally disagree with you! you get tax credits for working. to get tax credits now, you have to be 25 or have a family. just my partner works n i look after our children. we jointly claim tax credits. he gets hardly anything. as we have 2 kids i claim the child tax credits. its not really that much but its there if i need it. you can earn upto 拢50k to claim it. i dont get free nhs prescriptions, or anything else. you think thats messed up, then why do the government allow immigrants to claim child benefit even if their kids dont live with them?? they dont have to prove they have kids. if someone who has lived here all their lives, they have to prove they have kids, if they falsely claim it, they'd get prosecuted. youre obviously hacked off that some people get more than you. big deal!!

In an ideal world, this would be a fair question but these 'lower paid' people still give you a service - whether they are dustmen, low paid carers/nurses, shop workers etc. not everyone has the chance of a good education or lives in the areas which command high wages.

I bet you would find that those who are working on low wages in factories etc. have far worse working conditions than you and have to work far harder for their money!

I personally feel it is about time that people who work for the country ie, dustmen, nurses, carers and those who do the 'dirty jobs' should be paid far more than those who sit in an office all day for their 拢30,000 a year - I know who has earned it the most. It is more unfair that these people are undervalued and looked down on because they need a bit of extra help - but we'd miss them if they weren't there!